Interesting article on National Review about waterboarding. Part of me still thinks it's got to be a parody, but no... Deroy Murdock falls into a familiar trap, justifying torture--sorry, interrogation methods--based on their theoretical success in deterring terror. Deroy even suggests that "Waterboarding is something of which every American should be proud." At the risk of Godwining myself, I would like to say, welcome to 1939, Deroy. Hitler called, he wants his logic back.
Now, I am not an expert on interrogation techniques or torture. I have never been tortured. Probably the worst pain I've ever experienced was getting a molar crowned. But someone who has endured torture says that waterboarding is torture, so I'm inclined to adopt his opinion (no matter what else he may be wrong about). Regardless of the semantics and hair-splitting on this issue, however, I am much more concerned with Deroy's logic than with his nomenclature.
You see, Deroy thinks that the ends justify the means. His extended apologetic fulmination boils down to an argument that "Waterboarding has worked quickly, causing at least one well-known subject to break down and identify at least six other high-profile, highly bloodthirsty associates before they could commit further mass murder." In short: Deroy doesn't care if it's torture or not, if it's right or wrong, if it's moral or immoral. He only cares that we catch terrorists, quickly.
Even if it means occasionally torturing--sorry, interrogating--an occasional innocent? So it would seem. Deroy's logic does not draw any lines between torture and interrogation, because Deroy would presumably support any tort...interrogation technique that delivered results.
(Always assuming it's endorsed by a Republican president, I suppose--will Republicans flip-flop on torture if they lose the White House? Count on it.)
At any rate, Deroy's approach is hugely problematic. It is grossly utilitarian. It strains credulity. We should not justify things simply because they are effective. We as a country cannot afford to lose the moral high-ground, to lower ourselves to the level of the terrorists we are supposedly out to stop. In protecting our country, we have an ethical responsibility not to become the thing we hate most. Rest assured, there are plenty of other ways to preserve our country without undermining its founding principles.
I would strongly encourage Republicans everywhere to eschew attitudes like Deroy's and denounce, not merely torture, but any interrogation technique with a resemblance to torture. Let's stop splitting hairs; we're better than this. We do not need waterboarding, and we do not need to huddle clannishly and bleat, "My President, right or wrong." If we cannot keep the moral high ground, we will quickly find ourselves drowning in a sea of hatred and contempt.
And that is one kind of drowning you cannot simulate.
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I'm all ranted out on this
I'm all ranted out on this subject. Suffice it to say a) I *am* a trained and experienced interrogator, b) you are 100% right, c) I am rapidly approaching physical revulsion hearing people I otherwise agree with endorsing such practices, and d) I hereby designate you as my ranter-by-proxy, since you are far more coherent than I.
I Feel Special
Wow. I take your endorsement as a high compliment, Cory--as I feel that, coherent or not, your opinion on the matter carries more weight than mine. Thanks for commenting.
Right!!!!
Right!!!!
Never justifiable? Still not convinced.
In a legitimate war where killing an enemy combatant is justifiable, waterboarding the same combatant is not? Does torture really carry a far greater moral consequence than killing? such that the later can be justifiable but the former not ever?
Is morality that black and white? Does the end never justify the means? Even if that end is defending myself, my family, or my country?
If my wife were kidnapped, hidden, and I got my hands on one of her captors I probably wouldn't bust out an iron maiden or brazen bull - but I would have no problem waterboarding the guy if it might mean saving her life.
Imminence
The most difficult cases for torture are always where imminence is involved--you know, the kidnap scenario, or a bomb is about to go off in L.A. a la 24, or whatever. I'll get back to this in a moment.
War always poses difficult moral questions, but the natural right to defend your life and freedom by taking another's life is a much easier case than maybe defending your life by definitely resorting to inhuman cruelty. Some things really are worse than death--and anything that makes you wish you were dead would be on that list.
It's much easier to sympathize with the argument (though I still reject it) that torture is "okay" when you are 100% certain that something really, really bad is happening or even about to happen. But it turns out that such hypotheticals have rarely, if ever, been the case. The imminence factor is not part of the equation, except insofar as certain high-ranking officials are convinced that the next "big attack" is always imminent.
Believe it or not, there are better ways to get information, to ensure its accuracy, and to mainain the moral high ground all at once. Even in those rare and unlikely scenarios where you are completely convinced that torture might actually be the only way to get the information you need to prevent some greater wrong, there is always enough of a chance that you are wrong--about the situation, about the suspect, or about your ability to get the information you need through torture--that you should not risk your humanity or your sanity on such extreme practices.
Of course, what that means is that sometimes, bad things will happen that might have been prevented through some more intrusive, violent, or extreme means. At which point it must be acknowledged and allowed that bad things will sometimes happen, and some things are simply more important than safety.
Yes. Never Justifiable.
... And for the same reason it's not justifiable to take that same prisoner, off the field of battle and completely defenseless, and shoot him in the head. Call it the paradox of civilized war - we recognize an absolute difference between the enemy across the field of battle, trying his best to end our lives, and the same enemy, bound and disarmed, completely at our mercy. We make this distinction because the in the latter case, the *only* thing that stops us from committing monstrous acts on defenseless people is our own collective conscience. These people hate us, want to kill us, and will do so if given the chance. We treat them humanely because we know that, like killing, the taking of prisoners is an unavoidable part of warfare. We cherish the hope that, at the end of hostilities, those yet alive can return to a world of peace and again become humane. In deference to that hope, those removed from the conflict as prisoners are preserved unto that day.
I'm not trying to make the "chickenhawk" argument here, but I would imagine that the vast majority of those people who have not been engaged in warfare will find it hard to relate to the above. If you cannot, I would urge you to at least consider the possibility that I speak from experience, not pedantry.
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